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Avarre · Feb 14, 2008, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

Many posts in this thread don't add up, you have to admit, a good mesmer is amazing to have in your group, then add the ability with SoI to use any non elite skill in the game at 16 attribute, how can this be bad? OK the OP shouldn't have said that it makes the Mesmer the best for PVE in the game, but there is no way that, if used properly, SoI wouldn't improve the mesmer's options as far as usefulness in PVE is concerned.

Skills that work well together are often in the same attribute line. To get the most out of SoI as you claim, you'd be drawing on good skills from multiple lines and professions which just creates a mishmash of non-cohesive skills on your bar.

As for PvE skills, using your elite for a tiny boost is a waste for the most part, especially as these PvE skills can be put on other professions with a stronger elite in some cases. For this reason, taking PvE skills into the discussion of a class's power is often irrelevant as they aren't tied to the class and are hence no more effective on their primary than secondary.

Age · Feb 14, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

How can SoI make the Mesmer the Best PvE class and I agree on what holyman said?

kess · Feb 14, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Here are a few combos you can try out in pve

[skill]Signet Of Illusions[/skill][skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill][skill]Rodgort's Invocation[/skill]
for unlimited amount of energy and aoe fire dmg, a return of 52 energy with 127 AoE fire dmg and 3s of burning (just remember to have a 2nd set of +30/-2 in hand to swap for emergency.

Then if you want armor ignoring damage try these
[skill]Signet Of Illusions[/skill][skill]Ether Nightmare[/skill][skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Cry Of Pain[/skill]
That's AoE conjure nightmare then 208 of armor ignoring damage after that.

You can basically run 16 illusion and 13 fast casting.

Or if you max out your sunspear rank
You can run these
[skill]Glyph of Renewal[/skill] [skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill] [skill]Conjure Nightmare[/skill] [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Cry Of Pain[/skill] [skill]Glyph Of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Clumsiness[/skill] [skill]Wandering Eye [/skill]

You can sub out arcane echo with mindbender for faster spike.

For HM vanquishing, take essense of celerity for much powerful effect.

Now I can say not many build can rival that kind of damage output. Again armor ignoring damage > elemental damage. (in HM)

uberwan kapwni · Feb 16, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

[skill]clumsiness[/skill][skill]wandering eye[/skill][skill]empathy[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]signet of illusions[/skill] + 3 PvE skllls of your choosing = a ridiculously powerful build that is probably the most imbalanced thing ever...

I think my point is made. Have fun with it!

Although this build in particular does not look up to a mesmer's potential to me, I would have to agree that mesmers are now at least equal to any other proffesion in Guild Wars for PvE. I actually didn't believe it was possible, but I have been experimenting with signet of illusions lately, and found some insane builds. Energy is never a problem with just one e-management skill...

gnome · Feb 16, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

fc nuker > pve
3 mobs of charr gone in 6-7 seconds. around 1500 damage in 11-13 seconds

ofc i am talking about NM, but this shows again that mesmers are now equal to every class in pve, like it said in the previous post. still though, lots of people will not think outside the box and believe mesmers are a pvp class only. sig of illusions makes almost anything possible =)

but you cannot just say it is the best because there are vital jobs mesmers cannot do properly, so i really think that simple reconsideration of this class is better than calling it the outright greatest thing for pve

It's A Me · Feb 16, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

SoI+ Arcane Mimicry on someone with ursan blessing anyone?

Sha Noran · Feb 16, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Signet of Illusions is a mongrel, a band-aid skill invented because the Illusion line is so bad and saw so little use.

The staggering ignorance of this statement stopped me on page 1. Before Signet of Illusions existed, the following is just a quick list of skills from Illusion that saw enough use in either PvE or PvP to justify me being appalled that your statement was left untouched:

Accumulated Pain, Sympathetic/Ancestor's Visage, Clumsiness, Conjure Phantasm, Conjure Nightmare, Distortion, Illusionary Weaponry, Images of Remorse, Ineptitude, Migraine, Phantom Pain, Recurring Insecurity

How can the opinions of people who don't understand the significant importance of these skills even count for anything?

... to be a bit more on topic, no, there is never a time where I would prefer a Mesmer over some other contributing group member in PvE, however it is true that those who wish to play Mesmer now have some skill combinations available to them that brings them to a level that can at least be respectably considered as adequate.

draxynnic · Feb 16, 2008, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by It's A Me

SoI+ Arcane Mimicry on someone with ursan blessing anyone?

Ursan Blessing isn't a spell, so Signet of Illusions doesn't work with it.

Brian the Gladiator · Feb 16, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I am not afraid to admit that I did over exaggerate the thread title. The intention of calling the thread "Mesmer: The best PvE class Unseen" was simply to acknowledge the fact that people are not giving respect to a class that can be better than a necromancer or elementalist when it comes to caster damage.

People have said that SoI is very gimmicky. In response to that, I just have to say that a single skill can not be gimmicky if it is used in an original template. Touch ranger is gimmicky, but vampiric bite alone is not...

EDIT: In response to the person above me ~ Mimicry can't be used on Ursan either because it is a form.

[skill]arcane mimicry[/skill] -------> Doesn't work on forms

EDIT: Ursan isn't a form... my bad (still doesnt work with SOI though because it's not a spell.)

It's A Me · Feb 16, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

LOL, my bad, misread the description. Wouldnt be the first time thats happened....

Targuil · Feb 16, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

I am not afraid to admit that I did over exaggerate the thread title. The intention of calling the thread "Mesmer: The best PvE class Unseen" was simply to acknowledge the fact that people are not giving respect to a class that can be better than a necromancer or elementalist when it comes to caster damage.

People have said that SoI is very gimmicky. In response to that, I just have to say that a single skill can not be gimmicky if it is used in an original template. Touch ranger is gimmicky, but vampiric bite alone is not...

EDIT: In response to the person above me ~ Mimicry can't be used on Ursan either because it is a form.

[skill]arcane mimicry[/skill] -------> Doesn't work on forms

Who said it's form? Type:Elite Skill. So what we learnt? It works with Ursan Blessing but IDK about SoI.

legless477 · Mar 02, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

There is a reason mesmers arent used in pve as much as other classes....its because they are very effective at shutting down 1 char which is virtually useless in pve because...killing 1 person is not efficient at all in pve...if u combined sig of illusions with aoe spells....mabey just mabey it would be less effective then a ele...so even how mesmers are pwnage i think they will never play a very large part past the support/utility roll in pve... =/

Also just because u can combine sig of illusions with all ready over powered pve skills...doesent mean much more than "i killed that 1 thing Sooo fast!" so like i said singularly chars such as mesmers and assasins will never be that that good at pve...because unlike pvp you are versing a renewed large amount of enimies in pve not 1 group of smaller amounts of enimies like pvp. Aoe is KEY...anyway u can combine aoe with mesmers in a useful way i..... dont think the best skill to use would be sig of illusions = /

Gl tho!

LightningHell · Mar 02, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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People have said that SoI is very gimmicky. In response to that, I just have to say that a single skill can not be gimmicky if it is used in an original template. Touch ranger is gimmicky, but vampiric bite alone is not...

I do not understand this sentence.

Shadowmere · Mar 02, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

SoI does not make mesmer the best class for PvE. It sure as hell makes the mesmer a lot more potent and viable in PvE.

From where I'm standing SoI is pretty much designed to give mesmers an edge in PvE, they were sorely lacking before, and it pulls it off quite nicely.

All in all SoI along with buffs to other skills have made the Mesmer a contender in PvE, it's a perfectly good prof to bring. Now if only the majority of the PvE population would realize this, but I won't go into that here.